Posted by rogin16 on June 30, 2008
Joe Horn, a man who killed two would be (or alleged) burglars after they broke into his neighbors house, was cleared by a Texas grand jury of any wrong doing. He called 911 when he saw them breaking in and eventually shot them when he thought they were getting away. Since the shooting, a debate has raged on whether his use of force was justified and whether he’s a racist.
I don’t think race or racism should enter into a discussion on whether his use of force was justified. I think accusing him of racism is a red herring. Saying that he wouldn’t have shot the burglars if they were white distracts from the issue of if he had the right (or a justifiable reason) to shoot the burglars. When the left feigns outrage over his actions being racist, they are doing themselves a disservice. They are already putting people on the defensive and thus people who would otherwise listen to their arguments on why the use of deadly force there was not justified tune them out. This also causes the argument to become about race which is good for creating lots of hatred but not good at coming up with a reasonable use of force standard.
The right, on the other hand (pun intended), tries to make this issue about gun rights. Framing this as if their right to own a gun depended on this being a justifiable use of force. This too distracts from the real issue. Deciding that this case did not warrant deadly force does not (and should not) impact the meaning of the second amendment nor the philosophical debate on people’s right to own weapons (for self defense or otherwise).
The 911 operator tells Horn:
Ain’t no property worth shooting someone over.
I’m not sure I agree with that statement, but it does put into perspective that pretty much no property is worth as much as a life. Property can be replaced or duplicated, a life cannot be. That said, if someone breaks into my house, I would want my neighbors to stop them. If they shoot their knee caps out or just shoot them because they aren’t a good shot, I would not want the low life who breaks into my living space to get away with it. Would I want them dead? No. I would want the Justice system to punish them with the laws on the books. However, if the choice is between them getting away or them getting shot (assuming we know they are burglars who were in my house), I would want them shot to prevent their escape.
I guess, my view on this would be different if I was a burglar. All kidding aside though, it’s not like we can claim that the burglar was doing nothing wrong. Also, it’s very likely that this is not their first such crime and that they should have known the risks of breaking into someones house. By breaking in, they assumed the risk of being shot dead.
As for Joe Horn. I really am torn if he was guilty of some sort of form of homicide or was just being a good neighbor. Was this justifiable homicide, defence of neighbor’s property or murder? I’m not sure.
Finally, the fact that the two alleged burglars were in the US illegally should not enter into the conversation about the use force.
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Posted by rogin16 on June 25, 2008
CNN reports that a Guatemalan who illegally lived in the US and worked here for 11 years, saving over $59,000, will get to keep most of that money. Pedro Zapeta was fined $49,000 for failing to declare that he was leaving the US with over $10,000 after he was caught returning to his home country with the money. CNN reports that:
The 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled Monday that the judge who fined Zapeta applied an incorrect standard in determining the amount to be forfeited. The appeals court ordered a hearing to set a new fine.
Good for the appeals court! It’s a travesty that a person (even if he was an illegal immigrant) who worked very hard, paid taxes and saved his money would lose most of it due a very arbitrary fine of almost $50,000 having committed no crime other than “failing to declare” that he was leaving the country with the money. It’s not like he tried to circumvent this law. According to his lawyer he didn’t even know that such a law existed. I wager most Americans don’t either. How could we have a law that basically strips a man of his 80% of his life savings because he failed to fill out a silly form? A more proper course of action would be to perhaps let him know that he needs to declare the money when customs or TSA stopped him rather than arresting him and basically stealing his money. Even still, even if they have to punish him for failing to declare, the punishment should fit the crime (to borrow a cliche) and if a fine of over 80% of life savings fits this crime, then we should punish CEO’s who back date their stocks (fail to declare the correct date) similarly as well.
Of course this reeks of civil forfeiture. I’m betting that TSA or customs figured the caught a drug mule with absolutely no evidence other than the wad of cash and arrested him. Civil forfeiture is one of my pet peeves. I don’t understand how a country who claims people are innocent until proven guilty can take away people’s money just because they are carrying it in large sums. A person is pressumed to be carrying drug money when it’s in excess of certain amounts and police have the authority to seize it with the burden then falling on the victim of the police theft to prove that the money was innocent (and yes they have to prove that the money was innocent since civil forfeiture is basically charging the property with the crime and not the person). How is it at all consistent with our justice to have the defendant prove innocence instead of the government prove guilt or even probable cause other than having a large sum of money? It’s not.
The government always acted as if the money was their own. They acted almost entitled to it. But it’s not their money. It was Pedro’s, and the [appeals] court affirmed that.
Where are the libertarians, strict constructionist republicans (those who defend their right to bear arms to almost an unreasonable degree) and civil rights democrats on this? Wouldn’t it be great if radio pundits and TV talking heads focused their outrage on actual tangible un-American, authoritarian laws/actions by the government rather than having a contest of who can kiss America’s ass more?
It’s sad that the government feels more and more that they are entitled to hard working people’s money.
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Posted by rogin16 on June 13, 2008
I’m usually guilty of not proof reading or proof reading badly and thus I hesitate to criticize those who don’t either. However, in this case I’ll make an exception. They really could have phrased this much better:
MSNBC has live streaming coverage of Tim Russert’s death. Watch it below:
R.I.P. Tim Russert.
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